Curse

sangsue · Sep 09, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Open chat channels ( all/trade) are becoming cesspools! It's a rarity to not be subjected to a string of vulgarities any time a person is in a town. Whether it's sexually explicit, profane, or obscenities .. it's all getting to be the norm instead of the exception. The violations can be reported. The consequences are fair with temporary suspension of access laddered per offense. The process of reporting someone is what I'd like to address.

Currently a person wanting to report a violation of conduct would have to open their browser and go to guildwars support section, fill out a form, describe the offense, and post a screen shot. This is all well and good except, 1.) it's time consuming, 2.) you have to stop playing for quite a while in order to fill out a report, and 3.) the entire process could be stream lined.

What I suggest is simply adding a /report command with /report <name of offender >. This would flagged the last several lines that <name> has typed so that the reviewers could quickly and effeciently determine if a violation had in fact occurred and they could handle it immediately.

Flame · Sep 09, 2005, 10:29 PM // 22:29

I think this is an excellent idea. While it is true that there is a word filter, there are always the "cool" kids who think it's fun to leave out a letter to curse, even though they have a word filter!

In addition, if someone REFUSES to use the trade channel to trade, when asked politely, that should be a reportable offense. I don't want to live with it, and the majority of players should not be forced to, because a few individuals can't use common sense.

ducktape · Sep 09, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

I love the idea too!

I don't turn on any chat channels other than Team and Guild, because of the garbage that is on Local and Trade. I know there are lots of majorly offensive things being said, usually with 0s or 1s or !s and so on to bypass the chat filter so you can't avoid it, and rather than take all that time to report things I just don't turn the channel on.

If it didn't take 10-15 minutes to fill out a violation report, I'm sure more people would be reporting things, thus getting rid of jerks more efficiently. It sounds like it would be more efficient for ANet too, if they automatically get the last few lines of text and search for offensive material instead of having to read a screenshot.

/signed

johnnylange · Sep 10, 2005, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by sangsue

Open chat channels ( all/trade) are becoming cesspools! It's a rarity to not be subjected to a string of vulgarities any time a person is in a town. Whether it's sexually explicit, profane, or obscenities .. it's all getting to be the norm instead of the exception. The violations can be reported. The consequences are fair with temporary suspension of access laddered per offense. The process of reporting someone is what I'd like to address.

Currently a person wanting to report a violation of conduct would have to open their browser and go to guildwars support section, fill out a form, describe the offense, and post a screen shot. This is all well and good except, 1.) it's time consuming, 2.) you have to stop playing for quite a while in order to fill out a report, and 3.) the entire process could be stream lined.

What I suggest is simply adding a /report command with /report <name of offender >. This would flagged the last several lines that <name> has typed so that the reviewers could quickly and effeciently determine if a violation had in fact occurred and they could handle it immediately.

LMAO! If you think minimizing your GW screen, opening the browser, and filling out a report is too time consuming... Then i'd bet you wouldn't even pull over for a cop that caught you speeding because you'd figure he's going to take too much time writing out the ticket.

Well, until day comes when we live in the age of "Star Trek" and you travel some where faster than you can say "Beam me up Scotty!" then will I agree that this is worth their time to put it in.

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Sep 10, 2005, 05:41 AM // 05:41

i don't its just sort of a thing i dont like to do. reporting is sort'a like tattle tailing in school its just not cool dudes...

Eltargrim · Sep 10, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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Originally Posted by johnnylange

LMAO! If you think minimizing your GW screen, opening the browser, and filling out a report is too time consuming... Then i'd bet you wouldn't even pull over for a cop that caught you speeding because you'd figure he's going to take too much time writing out the ticket.

Well, until day comes when we live in the age of "Star Trek" and you travel some where faster than you can say "Beam me up Scotty!" then will I agree that this is worth their time to put it in.

For you, maybe not, but what about the people who can barely manage to run GW? For example, me: if I ever minimize GW, it crashes. If I try and run it in a window, it crashes. Trying to run both the game and my browser would probably give my computer a stroke.

All in all, it depends on ANet's stance towards that kind of thing. Strict = we have a chance of getting it, lax = no chance in hell.

Lasareth · Sep 10, 2005, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Before I upgraded my memory I was running 256, and having anything but gw open was hell, so yes, good idea.

UltimaXtreme · Sep 10, 2005, 08:17 AM // 08:17

No.

bullshit idea, it does not sound bad, but if its implemented guess what will happen?

8.365 billion /reports a day sent

johnnylange · Sep 10, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

The solution for the people that can barely run GW is a PC upgrade or maybe even a virus/spyware/adware scan. As a hobbyist I built mine about 4 years ago. I run 1gig ram (cuz I use photo shop) 1533.Mhz Athlon processor, video card is a Radeon 8500LE (128 vid ram) Nothing super fancy compared to today stuff, but still runs great. (Also 64 bit processors are coming around more now) You can a cheap OEM computer with twice the speed for around $500.00. (Don't know prices in other countries)

Lasareth · Sep 10, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I don't think it can be assumed that everyone has $50-100 lying around to be spent on memory upgrades. Considering the younger player base within the game, money like that would be better suited to other things with more pertinent necessity (like gasoline these days

) .

I don't think it would be too hard to set up a system that limits reports to a certain number in a certain time period. Have them type up a one-line description as the problem, and check in on it. Ban people who abuse the system. That's a good way to discourage abuse

sangsue · Sep 10, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

when Everquest implemented the /report command there was an almost immediate decline incidents of people shouting vulgarities. You wouldn't walk into a family restaurant and shout F*&@ U, when someone told you to knock it off you wouldn't shout STFU .. and if you did it wouldn't be longer than a couple minutes before the manager asked you to leave.... or just flat called the police.

Guildwars.com/legal contains the rules.

Guild Wars - Rules of Conduct

The following rules govern basic interaction within the Guild Wars game and the Guild Wars websites. Please be aware that failure to comply with these rules of conduct may result in the termination of your Guild Wars game account according to the Guild Wars User Agreement.

In addition to these rules of conduct, explicit rules affecting your account may be found in the Guild Wars User Agreement.

1. While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

2. You may not post or communicate any player’s real world information (name, address, account name, etc.) through the Guild Wars game or on the official Guild Wars website.

3. You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.

4. You may not post or link to any sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive imagery or content.

etc

So, rule number 1 ... how often is it you see PlayerX says " Hey, Playerz .. yer a @(#&"

and rule number 3 .. There's too many examples of this one to bother posting an example.

If these 2 areas weren't important things for A-Net to control they wouldn't have made them rule 1 and 3.

It takes far more effort to track down bots and ban them than it does to implement a /report command .... but it didn't take too long for their to be an announcement saying that A-Net had banned numerous bot accounts.

A report command would be far easier, not only for players to report a violation .. but also for A-net. A-net now sends out two e-mails if you report a violation. with the /report command the report is sent immediately .. the GW staff could view the report immediately, and if an account suspension is warranted that too could be done immediately .. no muss, no fuss, and no auto sending out e-mails.

And as for reporting being "tattle telling" ... there's not a parent in the world who would object to someone "tattle telling" if it were their kid were the target of a bunch of guys who get their kicks simulating gang rape in piken square.

It's a great game .. wonderful artwork, low poly models yet great looking, fun to play, and great business model from a players point of view. However, player conduct is absolutely appalling .. the /report command would help curb that.

Lu Cheng Ying · Sep 10, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26

What's your problem? If you don't like what you read, turn on the censor or ignore!

Why must someone else babysit us?

I say leave it alone. If a child is offended, that is the fault of the parent for not monitoring what the child is exposed to.

If an adult is offended, grow up! Stop whining, sheesh!

(btw, minimize GW causes my game to slow down or bleed...so never do this. 99.99% of the time, I'll have to terminate game and relaunch after I minimize GW)

Kai Nui · Sep 10, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Just go to your options and swap the filter to Super High or whatever if you don't want to hear it. It's really that simple.

drwtwn312 · Sep 10, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

This is a terrible idea... Just look at world of warcraft. The GM there have to deal with 5 billion reports a day just because people have an easy way to report stuff. People report for the dumbest things such as having a fight with somebody. It just waste the company's money.

Eltargrim · Sep 10, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by johnnylange

The solution for the people that can barely run GW is a PC upgrade or maybe even a virus/spyware/adware scan. As a hobbyist I built mine about 4 years ago. I run 1gig ram (cuz I use photo shop) 1533.Mhz Athlon processor, video card is a Radeon 8500LE (128 vid ram) Nothing super fancy compared to today stuff, but still runs great. (Also 64 bit processors are coming around more now) You can a cheap OEM computer with twice the speed for around $500.00. (Don't know prices in other countries)

Oh, I wish I could. I don't get allowance, no steady job, I go to school, my parents won't upgrade the computer until it dies. I run on 256 megs of ram, 1.8 Ghz Pent 4, and a GeForce MX 420, which is horrible. It all sucks. It was old when I got it. Upgrading for me isn't an option. And I run my virus/spyware scans weekly.

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sangsue's whole post

Yes. That is exactly what I would have in mind, with possibly an addition for scamming, although that one would be questionable.

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Lu Cheng Ying-

What's your problem? If you don't like what you read, turn on the censor or ignore!

Euphamisms, metaphors, etc. The censor can't block everything.

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Why must someone else babysit us?

Babysitting implies constant moderation. This isn't babysitting, it's policing.

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I say leave it alone. If a child is offended, that is the fault of the parent for not monitoring what the child is exposed to.

In a case of a game such as Grand Theft Auto, this arguement would have weight. That game, and others like it, carry a M (17+) rating. Guild Wars carries a T (13+) rating. Anyways, there is no excuse for not being civil in a game. As sangsue said, you wouldn't walk into a family resturant shouting profanities, or engaging in sexually explicit conversation.

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People report for the dumbest things such as having a fight with somebody.

Not every report would be dealt with. Hell, ANet could put up a clear definition of what is reportable and what is not. Ignore reports of fights, follow up on reports of racism.

All in all, I think this should only be applicable to racist, sexist, sexually explicit, or homophobic comments. Calling a user an ass wouldn't be reportable. Calling a user a "black faggot" would be.

Judas Paladin · Sep 10, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

/report command eh?...
I smell mass abuse

johnnylange · Sep 10, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim

Oh, I wish I could. I don't get allowance, no steady job, I go to school, my parents won't upgrade the computer until it dies. I run on 256 megs of ram, 1.8 Ghz Pent 4, and a GeForce MX 420, which is horrible. It all sucks. It was old when I got it. Upgrading for me isn't an option. And I run my virus/spyware scans weekly.

Lol, with stats like that you should have no problems running GW. Especially having an GeForce MX 420...that's better than the card I have! One stick of Kingston 256MB PC2700 DDR will cost under $35.00, that's less than the game its self!

Mentalmdc · Sep 10, 2005, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim

my parents won't upgrade the computer until it dies.

How about investing in a hammer

or maybe just something heavy

one day when your parents are out, open the case take aim and give it a good whacking. Or if u want be less conspicuous the just take out the processor and have a good prod at all the electrical dohickies

Eltargrim · Sep 11, 2005, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by johnnylange

Lol, with stats like that you should have no problems running GW. Especially having an GeForce MX 420...that's better than the card I have! One stick of Kingston 256MB PC2700 DDR will cost under $35.00, that's less than the game its self!

Heh, it doesn't help that the 420 isn't made for gaming. It's great when I want to run Photoshop, though. The 420 runs worse than a GeForce 2 card

And the trouble with me is compatability. My motherboard can't take more than 1 Gig, and I believe PC2100 RAM is the only compatable. And plus this is in Canukleda dollars. About $50-60 for 512 megs

Mentalmdc...if only I could. My parents may be hardline, but they're not idiots. If it spontaneously breaks, they'll take it to a tech shop...and that would be bad for me

johnnylange · Sep 11, 2005, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim

Heh, it doesn't help that the 420 isn't made for gaming. It's great when I want to run Photoshop, though. The 420 runs worse than a GeForce 2 card

And the trouble with me is compatability. My motherboard can't take more than 1 Gig, and I believe PC2100 RAM is the only compatable. And plus this is in Canukleda dollars. About $50-60 for 512 megs

Dude you got no idea what you're talking about...at least when it comes to computers.